Showing posts with label travel trailer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label travel trailer. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Layton Renovation Day 2

Today makes 21 days that we've been working on our trailer. I'm not counting the days hubby works and I spend running around town to all the RV stores for parts. So in reality, it's been 4 weeks and 1 day. Today was damp and drizzly. It's been raining so hard the past couple days that the tarp is leaking and we already have water damage on our brand new paneling. So disheartening. On to Day 2's progress...or I should say discoveries...
We continued with the demolition, we kept cutting holes in the linoleum to see how far back the water damage went. And farther...and farther...
Well...this WAS a kitchen counter with oven and sink. The floor damage went this far back. It was all so dirty! In the process of removing the range hood (which ALWAYS rattled when I turned it on) we discovered several nests of a species of insect that I have no clue as to what kind or where they're native too, but I'm pretty sure they're not from around here...
ETA: I just googled this insect, I believe it's a mud dauber wasp. I still am not sure where they are from, maybe all over the US.

Once we moved over to the old Coleman heater we found several old wasp nests, one of which was still active and the queen gave me the stink eye.
At the end of the day, we had discovered several wasp nests, the mud nests, a bird's nest (have NO IDEA how that one happened since it was in the wall), a mouse nest, and an infestation of these brown bug's that I think are related to boxelder beetles.

I didn't get a picture of the interior, but we demolished the ENTIRE interior except for our precious bathroom that we renovated last summer. Here's a sideways view of the kitchen wall with all it's nasty pink insulation.

Man Hours: hubby-12, me-9 = 21 hours
Money Spent: $0

Monday, May 28, 2012

Layton Renovation Day 1

Demolition Day! The first of three actually, but we did not realize that at the time. Lets begin with why we chose to renovate our trailer....Last summer while heading to Yellowstone hubby noticed that the side "poofed" out while driving down the freeway. Throughout the two day drive down it "poofed" out further and further. We knew the corner trim was detached, but we didn't realize the metal siding would detach too.

We pulled out our fancy flame duct tape and taped that corner right up, but that was only a band-aid. Before this summer's adventures (which we have many planned) we decided to tear the front open, analyze the damage, and go from there, originally thinking this would just be a front end job like last summer's back end job. WRONG!!
We started with the removal of the propane tanks, battery, exterior lighting, front windows and screens, front side windows (in this case, one window and one airconditioner), two front corner trims and misc. other exterior access panels near the front end.

 Once we started removing the exterior siding and pink insulation, the damage was becoming more and more evident. BOTH front corners were separated from the exterior metal corner moulding for obviously a very long time because those corners basically crumbled in our fingers with dry rot.
 At the end of a twelve hour day and only 44 pictures to record our progress and "how to put it back together"...this was what we had:
Front wall removed, pink insulation tossed, top bunk fold-down door removed (we left the shelf because it stabilized the whole trailer during this process), back gaucho removed. Oh, and a corner of the floor vinyl cut away to see how rotted the floor was.

Man Hours: hubby-12, me-9 = 21 hours
Money Spent: $0

Monday, August 29, 2011

Back End Trailer Remodel Part 2

In part 1 we left off with this rotton mess...After tearing out all the 2x2's and panelling, we layed out the 2x2's on the driveway for a visual layout for when we're ready to build the wall again. IMPORTANT STEP: PRIOR TO REMOVAL OF 2x2'S, MEASURE VERTICAL DISTANCE BETWEEN HORIZONTAL MEMBERS AND WRITE IT DOWN ON PAPER. IN FACT, DRAW THE WHOLE WALL FRAME ON PAPER WITH EVERY MEASUREMENT. That's a huge step to remember to do, once you build the new frame, it all must be EXACT. You cannot build the framing a 1/4" longer or shorter, it screws up A LOT of other steps down the road...as you will soon see and learn from our mistakes (if not in this post, then in following ones)...

Once the whole back end is opened up, even more rot was exposed here (bottom left corner, that yellow is the original laminate flooring)......and here (bottom right corner).I really, REALLY wanted to save the yellow laminate, but it was rotten too, I guess. Once we removed it, hubby just dug right in.It literally just crumbled apart, so we pulled out the shop vac, it made for quicker removal.

See how much of that corner was rotten and is left?? Basically NOTHING!! The only thing holding it all together was the aluminum under-siding. And to think, I kept stepping on it to show people how soft the floor was. I'm lucky I didn't fall through!!After clean up, hubby pulled out the circular saw and cut away to good stuff. Now it was time to rebuild. We purchased a dozen 2x2's, one 2x4, one sheet of 1/2" plywood, 2" thick rigid foam insulation, wood screws (all of which will be added to the sidebar showing our spending as 'Back End Remodel') and we had visqueen to use as a vapor barrier already. For some reason, I guess that single 2x2 on the end there was not rotton 'cuz it loos like hubby added new floor supports and attached them to it. There's also one piece of rigid insulation there on the left. Then next step was to measure and cut a new piece of plywood flooring, as shown in pic below.
Okay, so a little back story now...the reason we tore at the entire backend of the trailer in the first place was because we needed to install a new black water tank. Okay, you're thinking how does black water tank equal and back end tear out?? Well, hubby did not want to install the toilet back onto a 'soft' floor. We started by removing all the bathroom parts and pieces. Did you know that many parts and pieces of a travel trailer are installed BEFORE the front, back or even side walls are put in?? Yup, we learned this tidbit the hard way. We could not remove the bathroom vanity until we removed the shower liner, which both are in excellent shape so we wanted to keep them. Well, the bathroom liner was installed before the back end was sealed up because there is NO POSSIBLE way to get that liner in that tiny little door to the bathroom. So...that was our extended thinking of how black water tank replacement ended up being an entire back end remodel. Here's our new black water tank installed, which is a whole other blog post in itself...maybe later...on to remodel. New plywood floor, shower liner back in, toilet back in,recycled peel-n-stick laminate flooring on new floor...now where is the vanity??Ah, there, and I even didn't rotate the pic...The next step after installing the majority of the bathroom components back is to start with the back end wall framing...but that will be in the next remodel post.


For now, a disclaimer and an explanation of a few choices we made. Keep in mind during this entire series of Back End Remodel posts that we had only three days to fix up the most important areas (to us) prior to travelling for 8 days in it. We wanted a functioning toilet (mostly because of a 4-1/2 yr old who needs to potty in middle of night. Can you imagine tent camping for 8 days with a 2-1/2 and 4-1/2 year old?? I couldn't, that's why we bought a trailer.) We worked 12 hours all three days hubby was available (he did have to work in between the first two and the third day) and I even put in several hours while he was at work on those in between days. Our long term goal is to take off the roof and remodel the other three walls, which is why we did not touch the left wall of the bathroom, which we know is rotted too. These posts are for your viewing pleasure and to share with you our process. Not all trailers are created equal, however many are as simply built as ours.


Happy Travels!

Wednesday, August 24, 2011

Yellowstone Travel Trailer Woes

Our trip to Yellowstone started out 3 hours behind schedule and with me in a miserable state! The night before departure day, I stayed up until midnight packing and folding laundry. Then I tossed and turned until 4AM only to wake up at 8AM to continue packing. The stress of finishing the back end of our trailer, yardsaling AND packing in 12 hours made me come down with a cold all in my tonsils! They were so swollen and red and hurt! Thiat is how are day of traveling started.With a 1PM departure and 6 hours (according to mapquest) of driving ahead of us, it was going to be a long day! We finally pulled into our campsite (above) around 9:30PM, just in time to make the beds and go to sleep. As we prepared for bed, we learned that we had absolutely NO POWER! My guess: the battery is dead. Hubby's guess: the 2yr old battery is not being charged by the truck. Either way, we had no power for bed time, just the propane. No power means no light and no water pump. That's okay, we packed bottled water and had full propane tanks.The next morning we toured the Lewis & Clark Caverns. SO COOL!! Well worth a visit. In that pic above that tiny white column in the middle of the pic, that almost looks baseball bat-ish, is over 6 feet tall! There is no depth perception in a cave, when I took the pic, it looked as if it were a few steps away. Weird! We finally got on the road after lunch again, but this time we were only two hours north of West Yellowstone. Well...with a stop in Ennis, Montana to figure out the battery problem, we didn't arrive to our next campsite until 6pm. Whew! Another long day!

West Yellowstone painted buffalo. They were all over!

So what was wrong with the battery you ask?? I'm getting there...the drive to Ennis was a stress because we kept trudging on not knowing if we would have to back track 3 hours to Bozeman or continue on to West Yellowstone. Thankfully, due to hubby's 3G network fancy phone, we were able to Google auto part stores and rv part stores between us and our destination. This is where Ennis saved the day! We quickly learned of a few places in Ennis we could stop at and get looked at. Did you know that Ennis has a population just over 1,000 people?? This small town saved our derrieres because it also had a NAPA autopart store. With a quick stop at NAPA then a referral to down the street, we learned a heck of a lot of silly stuff out our trailer battery.
There's the culprit of this "woe" story. Did you know that most trucks are installed with a fuse for it's towing cable plug-in that it will blow if you're RV battery is wired BACKWARDS?!?!? Yes, I said that right...our RV battery, whoever installed it last (which for clarity sakes, WAS NOT us) wired it BACKWARDS! Now, if you're anything like me and not electrically savy...that's as far as the explanation will go. Here's a lengthier explanation as quoted from hubby, "the white wire and the black wire were wired so that the white wire was wired to the hot side when it should be the common." And if you need a website that explains A LOT about RV batteries, I found this one that helped me to understand. So...the fuse was blown because of the wiring on the battery. An hour later, that was basically it. With a new fuse, a new battery and less money in our pocket, we were well on our way to West Yellowstone! I'll be adding that dollar amount to the side bar. Keep in mind though, that side bar does not reflect our rear end remodel costs. I'll be adding those as I explain it all.
Happy Travels!

Wednesday, August 10, 2011

Show and Tell

I've been doing some research on Skyline's Layton Travel Trailer in the 1970's, but all I have to show are online pictures of models ranging from 16'-23'. I do not have links to any of these, the majority of them were found in search engines that searched in Craigslist ads or other For Sale type websites.



1968 23'



1970 16' Here's a link to a 1971 model repainted on Flickr

1971 19'
1972 19'




1974 21'


1975 23'1976 19' (My handsome fellow!)1977 probably 16'


1977 22'1978 maybe 19'?


1978 16'


1978 19'
1979 19'


Conclusion: I don't think that image of a 1970 Layton is a 1970 model. I would guess that it is either NOT a Layton and possibly a Nomad since from what I saw were more colored with blues OR it is a Layton that's been repainted and they typo'ed the year. Either way, it does not fit with this timeline. Another conclusion: They mainly stuck with YELLOW as the exterior color choice. Neat to see!



Happy Travels!

Sunday, August 7, 2011

Trailer Progress Day 2

I have been meaning to take a progress pic the past 48 hours of our trailer's rear end so that you can see what we have accomplished in two 12-hour work days. This is the latest pic and it's not even rotated. Sorry folks, a progress pic doesn't warrant a rotation I guess.We have the whole back end framed and insulated. We used a rigid insulation the same thickness as the wood that has a foil looking stuff on one side (perhaps vapor barrier?). Today I need to fix a few odd spots then I can add one large vapor barrier, which will be a large piece of visqueen that we already have on hand. We do intend to complete this properly someday, but with are upcoming Yellowstone deadline, it will be done with a few non-life threatening shortcuts like this visqueen for example. The reason being that with the original construction, the pink insulation was in between all the wood and aluminum. Having used rigid insulation, that left the wood next to the aluminum.


LESSON: ALUMINUM SIDING CONDENSATES WITH MOISTURE ON THE INTERIOR WITH THE RISE AND FALL OF THE TEMPERATURE & HUMIDITY LEVELS (OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT). THAT CONDENSATION IS MOISTURE (WATER) THAT CAN DAMAGE WOOD IT SITS NEXT TO, LEADING TO ROT, MOLD, MILDEW, RUST AND OTHER BAD STUFF.


Hence...visqueen. And please, PLEASE if you think this or something else is a vital mistake, leave a comment. We leave in THREE DAYS! There is still time to warn us. OR you could leave us a comment wishing us good luck...we will need that too! With that luck, I can staple back on the aluminum pieces, after I give them a good wash and wax, and this will hopefully leave us in a position to tackle those back corners first thing Monday morning. There's gonna be A LOT of scraping and re-putty-ing goin' on! Update more soon, plus the rest of our second journey.


Happy Travels!

Saturday, July 30, 2011

Meet Layton

Everybody, this is Layton...Layton meet everybody!
1976 Layton Travel Trailer model No. 1921 by Skyline

19'-1" complete with dual axel, full range, fridge, 6gal. hot water heater, 50 gal. water tank, heater, air conditioner (yes, look at the right window), and full bathroom.

It was love at first sight for me....then the educational process began...then the reality sunk in....Oh my little Layton, will your nick-name be money pit or restoration project?? One sounds much nicer than the other. Next up...our very first purchase and 'fixing up' project.